# So where is the update for May 15th? Wasn't it this past wkend? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 19, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328 "2016-05-19T00:40:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Evan](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@Evan](https://forum.safex.org/u/Evan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/1 "2016-05-19T00:40:20Z")
Hello- I’ve been following SEC since shortly after its addition to Bittrex and have come to enjoy the development updates that were posted every other Saturday. We never got that update this past weekend. Is everything okay? Has development been put on hold? Have the Maidsafe testnets impacted your development of SE- and the such. SE sounds like it has huge potential for the development of Safenet as a whole and eagerly await! All the best, Evan ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/2 "2016-05-19T05:28:23Z")
We are making some considerations since this project is important and can not be delayed for any circumstances and we are not surrendering capabilities to anyone. Nothing else to report for now. Thank you @evan for asking. ---
**Author:** ![Hyena](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/hyena/32/400_2.png) [@Hyena](https://forum.safex.org/u/Hyena)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/3 "2016-05-20T12:35:56Z")
Last commits to the git repos were made on the 19th of April. After that the price of SEC started falling big time. Any correlation here? Have the devs abandoned the project? ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/4 "2016-05-20T14:54:33Z")
definitely not abandoned the project ---
**Author:** ![saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/u/saferocks)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/5 "2016-05-20T19:15:06Z")
> [@dallyshalla](#): > > can not be delayed for any circumstances and we are not surrendering capabilities to anyone Could you add some context to this? I don’t follow. ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/6 "2016-05-20T19:28:05Z")
Hope this clears it up: we won’t be limited to or by a maidsafe implementation of a network; we won’t depend on delays or lag by a third party. We know already what needs to be done to build a secure, anonymous, and instantaneous exchange. ---
**Author:** ![uqaz](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/3bc359/32.png) [@uqaz](https://forum.safex.org/u/uqaz)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/7 "2016-05-20T19:49:45Z")
Really?! Safex doesn’t depend on MAIDSAFE evolution? That’s great news man! ---
**Author:** ![saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/u/saferocks)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/8 "2016-05-20T20:07:51Z")
Glad to hear it, but how will you avoid depending on Maidsafe’s rollout? ---
**Author:** ![troya](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/troya/32/949_2.png) [@troya](https://forum.safex.org/u/troya)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/9 "2016-05-20T21:21:46Z")
hey daniel, nice to hear you are not trying to depend on one entity. did you considered lisk & ethereum version of safex? why run on one platform when u can have them all 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/10 "2016-05-21T01:44:11Z")
no not going with some one else’s platform anymore if we don’t have to. I did study up on ethereum, either way we are not going there ---
**Author:** ![New\_Rumor](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/6de8d8/32.png) [@New\_Rumor](https://forum.safex.org/u/New_Rumor)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/11 "2016-05-21T02:05:32Z")
ethereum has bigger scalability issues than bitcoin. Also ether ‘fuel’ would make safex have very high fees. The ethereum hype will die down as grwing pains begin to appear. ---
**Author:** ![saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/u/saferocks)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 6:09am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/12 "2016-05-21T06:09:00Z")
I’m really interested to know more about the changes you’re considering. It sounds like SafeX now won’t run on any platform and will instead be a standalone application? Is this because Maidsafe is taking too long to release their MVP or have you found it to be an undesirable platform for other reasons? ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/13 "2016-05-21T06:26:57Z")
I really can not answer any further because I won’t go into a speculative discussion. ---
**Author:** ![saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/u/saferocks)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/14 "2016-05-21T07:13:47Z")
You mean you haven’t decided what to do yet? You’re being extremely opaque. Your investors deserve better than that, especially in light of Hyena’s realization above. ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/15 "2016-05-21T08:34:41Z")
sorry, but do you own safe exchange coin? until the formalized plans are in motion, nothing to discuss really. ---
**Author:** ![saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/u/saferocks)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/16 "2016-05-21T09:24:00Z")
The degree of transparency exhibited by this project has suddenly dropped to zero. Historically that is a very bad sign. I’m guessing Daniel has decided not to proceed with it as planned and is unsure of what to do next. His investors will be strung along indefinitely. Summary of events: Daniel’s most recent GitHub commit occurred over a month ago at which time massive SEC sells immediately began driving the market price down from 250 satoshis to 10. In this thread, Evan asks Daniel why he hasn’t been making regular dev updates like he used to and Daniel refuses to reveal any information about the direction of the project. I’ve seen this pattern play out over and over unfortunately. Communication and transparency dwindle, and nothing substantive is ever produced. Joel Dietz syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![19eddyjohn75](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/19eddyjohn75/32/47_2.png) [@19eddyjohn75](https://forum.safex.org/u/19eddyjohn75)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/17 "2016-05-21T10:01:33Z")
> [@saferocks](#): > > I’ve seen this pattern play out over and over unfortunately. Communication and transparency dwindle, and nothing substantive is ever produced. Joel Dietz syndrome. I doubt it that Daniel is suffering from Joel Dietz syndrome. (reputation is the most important thing that we’ll have in the end, [Joel Dietz was spending investors money on a lousy party](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_hj9Za7iOc)). I fully believe in this project, so what the price of SEC dropped (the more coins, I can buy), so what if investors moved over to invest in the DAO (we don’t need investors, we need people who believe in this project and want to see it come to live). In the long run, this will be the best exchange for your buck ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/18 "2016-05-21T10:29:56Z")
please sell I want to buy… ---
**Author:** ![saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@saferocks](https://forum.safex.org/u/saferocks)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/19 "2016-05-21T10:31:07Z")
> [@19eddyjohn75](#): > > I fully believe in this project What’s strange about that is no one (not even Daniel) knows what this project is about at this point. ---
**Author:** ![dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/user_avatar/forum.safex.org/dandabek/32/268_2.png) [@dandabek](https://forum.safex.org/u/dandabek)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328/20 "2016-05-21T10:31:55Z")
We know perfectly, anonymous marketplace for crypto payloads.[quote=“dallyshalla, post:6, topic:328”] We know already what needs to be done to build a secure, anonymous, and instantaneous exchange. [/quote] Before, we were relying on maidsafe for its platform. Today we are not, if they finish something useful before us, great… otherwise we are no longer dependent. I’ve put off network programming because of total trust in maidsafe that is no longer the case, and we will build along side our own network. To turn a fleet around it takes some miles of distance. [Next page](https://forum.safex.org/t/so-where-is-the-update-for-may-15th-wasnt-it-this-past-wkend/328.md?page=2)